He's a demo i made on an outing to the shoot'n'surf games cafe in London, New Oxford St. me playing some others there, 4 players on dm4. Its great to watch, lots of funny moments - watch for a purposly humorous death message ...involving "a hairy old man" Pity sound from the cafe can't be recorded...johny boys scream as my grenade hits him round 2 bends and from high above is precious. please note it wasnt my normal mouse setup and they had windows mouse acceleration on, so it was hard to control. If you like, love or loath this demo, please tell me so at: reaper@vsystem.demon.co.uk ReAPeR aka Phil Mansell